(urth) Short Sun Hiero-folk

Thu Jan 22 13:05:04 PST 2009

Thanks for pointing to this! I can't believe I've never read it before -- I've looked at Wynn's site a number of times and always overlooked that link.

But the potential that Green is Urth starts to address an issue that's been bothering me: Where are the Hiero-folk (or Yesod in general) in Long/Short Sun? We had this huge cosmic conspiracy in New Sun that turned out to be the "real" story behind the surface narrative. But that "real" story apparently even disappears in the subtext of the sequel series.

However...given that the whole point of Yesod/Hiero-folk is to further human evolution for their own purposes, perhaps we actually are seeing evolution happen in what occurs with the Neighbor/inhumi/human evolution interactions on Blue/Green. I haven't worked out the details yet, but this idea at least ties the series together more tightly than I've felt that they were in the past.

I still wonder, however, if the Outsider is the same "God" that the Hiero-folk call the Increate. I know all the general signs would suggest that they are (one true creator god, etc.), but I've always had a sneaking suspicion that the Hiero's "God" wasn't the real deal.

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From: Matthew Groves <matthewalangroves at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: (urth) Shape of the Whorl

I think that must be Marc Arimini's essay:

http://www.urth.org/whorlmap/chras-writers/marc-aramini1.htm

Much to ponder there.  No peeking, Witz.

Also, I have compiled as many translations of the names in Short Sun
as I could find on the WolfeWiki site:

http://www.wolfewiki.com/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=TheBookOfTheShortSun.Names

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Stuart Hamm <hammstu at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> It's hard to get "Rendevous with Rama" out of my head as I try to picture
> the Whorl..
>
> Hey, I'm getting ready to tackle the Short Sun series agan, just finished
> the Borski book...can someone please point me in the direction of an article
> I read here once...about corn-silk genes and the theory about the plants on
> green...well you know, don't want to spoil it for witz
>
> where do I search for that article???
> thanks
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> --- On Thu, 1/22/09, David Stockhoff <dstockhoff at verizon.net> wrote:
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> From: David Stockhoff <dstockhoff at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: (urth) Shape of the Whorl
> To: urth at lists.urth.net
> Date: Thursday, January 22, 2009, 6:54 AM
>
> And yet ... the Whorl is "made" of "shipstone," I thought.
> That's what we are told early on in LS. Could the ambiguity of this term
> hide "asteroid matter," as well as perhaps "concrete made from
> asteroid dust"? I suppose it could. And if so, that means the hollowing was
> done much as we would blast and bulldoze a mountaintop, or with plasma
> energies.
> It also was probably done by robots, since we know Typhon had them. In that
> case, there may be room for fundamental irregularity in the base or
> foundation
> layer---so how would you ensure that all the mountains/hills point precisely
> "up"? By sighting on the LS, which presumably would have been
> installed ASAP? Or were the mountain ranges simply the remains of blasting?
> In
> that case, they would be irregular from the get-go. It would be extra work
> to
> grind the floor smooth only to introduce nice, neat perpendicular mountains
> again. Is Larry Niven available for a consult?
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I don't know if it had been
> revealed previously, but a Neighbor confirms that the Whorl is a
> "hollowed-out asteroid," (In Green's Jungles 381). On Wed, Jan 21,
> 2009 at 6:03 PM, Craig Brewer <cnbrewer at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> > All this talk reminds me: I never can remember if the Whorl itself is
> actually cylindrical or if it's more oblong. As I recall, one of the inhumi
> calls it a "hollowed-out asteroid" at one point, and that made me try
> to remember if there were any descriptions of its exterior apart from the
> view
> from Blue/Green. If it is in fact an asteroid, I would imagine it would be
> more
> oblong. But if the entire thing was artificial, a more pure cylinder might
> be
> appropriate. I've always imagined the interior as looking like a pure
> cylinder, but the asteroid comment made me rethink that. (I'll try to find
> the inhumi quote when I get home...)
>> >
>> > To take this even further, if it's oblong, valley shadows might
> be more probable since the Long Sun wouldn't always be *directly* overhead,
> but at more of an angle. (Assuming, of course, that the interior curves
> along
> both axes...but I get the feeling that I'm starting to think too much.)
>> >
>> > Craig
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