(urth) Long Sun Laughs

[Jordon Flato]

Never ever noticed that.  Brilliant.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:50 PM, John Watkins <john.watkins04 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Note that Baltar + Anders = Baldanders.
>
> Brilliant.
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Son of Witz <sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org>wrote:
>
>> That's how I read that passage too.
>>
>> but guys, I wasn't really trying to spark the debate.
>> I suppose it can't be helped from such a provocative comment though.
>> sorry.
>>
>> RE: BSG,
>> I've been wondering about that. I've been wondering if Gaius isn't being
>> set up as some dubious sort of Christlike messiah.  I've only watched 4 eps
>> of season 4 though.  And I hope that suspicion is wrong.  But he prayed, and
>> that kid was healed, and he's got some sort of "chosen one" charm about him.
>> damn, I gotta catch up before friday. hope netflix comes in time.
>> PLEASE NO BSG SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD.
>>
>> ~witz
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: David Stockhoff [mailto:dstockhoff at verizon.net]
>> >Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:22 PM
>> >To: urth at lists.urth.net
>> >Subject: Re: (urth) Long Sun Laughs
>> >
>> >Was that from before or after TUotNS?
>> >
>> >Because certain passages during a healing scene make it pretty clear that
>> Severian (or a part of Severian's consciousness) observes himself as
>> something huge squeezing itself through tiny human senses. That's a god
>> talking.
>> >
>> >It may leave room for temporary goddish intervention, but Severian
>> himself observes this as though it is he who is the god, not as though
>> someone else is the god.
>> >
>> >Perhaps Wolfe rethought it.
>> >
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>> >Message: 8
>> >Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:31:07 -0500
>> >From: John Watkins <john.watkins04 at gmail.com>
>> >Subject: Re: (urth) Long Sun Laughs
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>> >Why is the Jordan interview not the last word on this?  The emphasis is
>> my
>> >own.
>> >
>> >"*JJ:* The holy slaves [Heirodules], Famulimus or one of them tells
>> Severian
>> >that he is the center of his race, the savior of his race. That is such
>> >Christlike language you can see why interpreters would say, Well Severian
>> is
>> >a Christ figure. But is there a Christ figure in the book, or is he
>> simply
>> >for this universe?
>> >
>> >*GW:* In so far as there is a Christ figure it is Severian. That doesn't
>> >mean he has to be identified with Christ. He is in a position similar to
>> >that of Christ. *But really it is a different position because Christ
>> really
>> >is both God and man. Severian is not*. Severian is a Christian rather
>> than a
>> >Christ. But he has been taken as the representative of humanity by whom
>> >humanity is to be judged. This I think is what has happened perhaps with
>> the
>> >actual human Jesus. He is or was as fully human as you or I and we are
>> saved
>> >by Him. By the fact that he passed. That the corruption did not destroy
>> Him.
>> >I think that St. Paul is absolutely correct when he says that Jesus was
>> >tempted in all the ways that we are tempted. I think that Jesus was
>> tempted
>> >to commit murder or any other sin that you want to name just as the rest
>> of
>> >us are. And the difference is that He did not sin."
>> >
>> >
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