(urth) Long Sun Laughs

[Son of Witz]

I hadn't read that.
but my point stands from his first line.
"In so far as there is a Christ figure, it is Severian"
I'm talking about symbolic metaphor, or loose analogy, not mundane plot.
the same could be said for the Long Sun.
In so far as there is a Christ figure, it is Silk.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Watkins [mailto:john.watkins04 at gmail.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:31 AM
>To: 'The Urth Mailing List'
>Subject: Re: (urth) Long Sun Laughs
>
>Why is the Jordan interview not the last word on this?  The emphasis is my
>own.
>
>"*JJ:* The holy slaves [Heirodules], Famulimus or one of them tells Severian
>that he is the center of his race, the savior of his race. That is such
>Christlike language you can see why interpreters would say, Well Severian is
>a Christ figure. But is there a Christ figure in the book, or is he simply
>for this universe?
>
>*GW:* In so far as there is a Christ figure it is Severian. That doesn't
>mean he has to be identified with Christ. He is in a position similar to
>that of Christ. *But really it is a different position because Christ really
>is both God and man. Severian is not*. Severian is a Christian rather than a
>Christ. But he has been taken as the representative of humanity by whom
>humanity is to be judged. This I think is what has happened perhaps with the
>actual human Jesus. He is or was as fully human as you or I and we are saved
>by Him. By the fact that he passed. That the corruption did not destroy Him.
>I think that St. Paul is absolutely correct when he says that Jesus was
>tempted in all the ways that we are tempted. I think that Jesus was tempted
>to commit murder or any other sin that you want to name just as the rest of
>us are. And the difference is that He did not sin."
>
>On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Son of Witz <sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org>wrote:
>
>> I knew both Watkins and Brewer couldn't leave that one. :D
>>
>> we all are.
>> and we all must overcome our Typhons.
>> ~witz
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: John Watkins [mailto:john.watkins04 at gmail.com]
>> >Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:20 AM
>> >To: 'The Urth Mailing List'
>>  >Subject: Re: (urth) Long Sun Laughs
>> >
>> >On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Son of Witz <sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> thanks again for that Dave.
>> >>
>> >> this one strikes me as odd:
>> >> 12. Who was Blood's father? -- Patera Pike. [DRL: This was a complete
>> >> surprise all round, by the way.]
>> >> I thought that was pretty clear in the book, much more clear than Silk
>> >> being an engineered embryo.
>> >>
>> >> but I'd like to point out #15 to all the people here who contest the
>> idea
>> >> that Severian is an instantiation of Christ.
>> >>
>> >> 15. Is the Outsider a form of Severian? -- No. Severian is a form of the
>> >> Outsider.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >As, by a certain logic, is everyone.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> ~witz
>> >>
>> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >From: Dave Tallman [mailto:davetallman at msn.com]
>> >> >Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:36 AM
>> >> >To: urth at lists.urth.net
>> >> >Subject: Re: (urth) Long Sun Laughs
>> >> >
>> >> >Gene Wolfe answered several questions related to Quetzal's motivations
>> in
>> >> a
>> >> >Q&A session recorded here:
>> http://www.ansible.co.uk/cc/cc77.html/quetxal
>> >> >
>> >> >Check out answers 7, 23, and 24. He said that Quetzal wanted a
>> "thriving
>> >> >human colony on Green" (which almost seems like a contradiction in
>> terms
>> >> to
>> >> >me).
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
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