(urth) OT: heresy

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Remember, I always use the radical meaning of a given term.


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> I'm just going by the meaning of the terms.
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> I'm either a Jew or a Brunian, depending what mood I'm in when you ask me:
> I have no dog in this fight.
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>>> The original group is the orthodox group: there was no one before them,
>>> they get to say what is orthodox. Any deviation from what that original
>>> group says is therefore, by definition, heterodox.
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>> And here we go...
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>> Well, then we have to ask who is saying it? For quite a long time the
>> Eastern Orthodox and the Roman Catholic churches considered each other
>> heretics, excommunicated, and damned. (Same with the Church of England)
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>> IIRC the terms "orthodox" (right-thinking) and "heterodox"
>> (other-thinking)
>> were coined by Irenaeus in the 2nd century. He openly criticized the
>> Pope
>> for excommunicating churches who persisted in celebrating Easter on the
>> 14th
>> of Nisan (Quartodeciman system) rather than on the Sunday *following*
>> the
>> 14th of Nisan. That he was free to do so without being at odds with the
>> Church implies that the system at that time was not the Roman system at
>> the
>> time of the Reformation. So you are labeling a group "original group"
>> without establishing that it is *in fact* the original group. And the
>> argument of Calvin and (eventually) Luther is that they were not. You
>> cannot
>> move forward without establishing that point one way or the other.
>>
>> (Q.E.D. stricken)
>>
>> J.
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