(urth) OT: heresy

brunians at brunians.org brunians at brunians.org
Fri Dec 18 10:51:17 PST 2009


I'm just going by the meaning of the terms.

I'm either a Jew or a Brunian, depending what mood I'm in when you ask me:
I have no dog in this fight.


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>> The original group is the orthodox group: there was no one before them,
>> they get to say what is orthodox. Any deviation from what that original
>> group says is therefore, by definition, heterodox.
>
> And here we go...
>
> Well, then we have to ask who is saying it? For quite a long time the
> Eastern Orthodox and the Roman Catholic churches considered each other
> heretics, excommunicated, and damned. (Same with the Church of England)
>
> IIRC the terms "orthodox" (right-thinking) and "heterodox"
> (other-thinking)
> were coined by Irenaeus in the 2nd century. He openly criticized the Pope
> for excommunicating churches who persisted in celebrating Easter on the
> 14th
> of Nisan (Quartodeciman system) rather than on the Sunday *following* the
> 14th of Nisan. That he was free to do so without being at odds with the
> Church implies that the system at that time was not the Roman system at
> the
> time of the Reformation. So you are labeling a group "original group"
> without establishing that it is *in fact* the original group. And the
> argument of Calvin and (eventually) Luther is that they were not. You
> cannot
> move forward without establishing that point one way or the other.
>
> (Q.E.D. stricken)
>
> J.
>
>
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