(urth) blastoDePasto v2: Schultz post

[Son of Witz]

while I'm diggin up the moldy oldies:

http://www.urth.net/urth/archives/v0011/0069.shtml

this is the best analysis of this book that I've come across yet, by FAR:


From: "J. Schultz" <jschultz at wcnet.org>
Subject: (urth) On a rereading
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 19:50:06 

Having taken a week long vacation I got a chance to reread the four books of
the New Sun.  I am writing more as a reflection and coalescence of my own
thoughts, rather than to anyone in particular.  Bear with me if anything I
say repeats things said long ago in archieves or states the obvious that you
already figured out for yourself.  Also, it has been sometime since I have
read the sequel book so my speculations may contradict things contained in
it.

The first 3 and a half books seem to deal with the theme of Severian
becoming his own man and casting off other authorities' hold on him.  Every
authority that is, except that of the Increate.  In each episode of Sev's
life he pledges his loyalty to a vestige of authority which is later broken
by him.  We see shy this breaking of authority is nessisary during the dream
that takes place after the play near the wall of Nessus.  In the dream
Malrubius reviews the several types of authority with Sev.  He illustrates
personal loyalty to the throne is the strongest and most basic type of
authority.  He leaves his argument open ended but implies that Sev must
forge a personal loyatly to the Increate himself.  Thus we see that those
who follow the church, or the crown, or the police, or those whoose
loyalties lie indirectly with Increate are far more distant from Him.  An
example of this are those who consider themselves 'born again.'  They have a
much stronger faith having found God for themselves than those who have been
brought up to believe the Church without question.  Sev's life is a slow
process of removing himself from outside authority and following what I
guess should be called the 'True Path,' that of direct loyalty to the
Increate.  Sev states that the Conciliator, if he had weapons used them on
himself and later makes alludes to the fact that he feels he is doing that
himself.  He is killing of the parts of him that will blindly follow false
authority (all authority being false except that of the Increate)  Earlier
in this group we discussed Sev's turning point, which being a human and
prone will not be black and white in Sev's life.  The turning point is just
before he attacks the castle of Baldanders when he pledges to follow the
will of the Increate above all others.  All other events have led up to this
and in rereading the passage I'm sure you'll agree.  He breaks ties with the
Guild, the Archon, Voudalus, Dr Talos' Death name tag, Typhon's will, etc.
etc.  and finally forges his personal loyalty to God.  The title Autarch as
meaning 'self ruler' also alludes to this theme.
I probably could of said all that better, but its been a while since I've
had to write coherent thoughts.  Feel free to state it better, or reverse it
in your own words.

This post is already overlong, but I wish to tie it in to a question.  I
have a feeling that the imagery of the phalus is tied in with this theme of
self governance.  The autarch carries an iron phalus around his neck.  (He
later compares the fluid inside to that of semen when Sev is forced to eat
him in the jungle prison)  Gurelos has a fake phalus, because he's a coward
and can't use his real one.  Sev calls Terminus Est his phallus and when it
is broken (ouch) it is replaced by the pointed object of the Claw.  The Claw
in its earlier gem form has a little phallic imagery of its own, being
carried in a little soft sack of skin.  Any thoughts on this?

And Finally,
I feel I need to be the Doubting Thomas on the little theory of the 13
Severian's.  (remember now, I have not reread Urth of the New Sun yet)  I
think we cannot look at Severian as Sev to the 13th power or anything like
that.  I don't understand why the White Fountain and the Claw should be
considered seprerate entities all their own.  The Claw is merely a focus of
Sev2's own power that as he says himself he draws from the very earth and
sky around him.  We don't need to quantify this energy into newton's, or
wonder what type of energy Sev is tapping (whether its Solar, Ocean, etc)
The power is that of RENEWAL and CREATION and is present in all things
because everthing has passed through the hands of the Increate (as Sev
points out himself on the Beach)  Sev was able to tap this infinite energy
and funnel it through the Claw.  The Claw does not have a mind of its own.
Why does the Claw sometimes act and sometimes doesn't?  (Good question but I
don't think the answer is that its a seperate Severian)  To make a Science
out of Sev's powers is to act like Baldanders, thinking everything should be
rational and quantifiable.  And we saw what his thinking leads to, Ragnorak!

I see the first Sev as being a part of the second Sev.  It is Sev1 who Sev2
feels standing next to him at the Sang. Field.  It is Sev1 who Sev2 finds he
is praying to in the temple of the Pelerine's near the lazeret.  Sev1 is
like a higher soul who has percieved the future.  There is a religion (it
smacks of Shirley McClaine but bear with me) that believes that we are
higher beings who have sent a part of our soul down to Earth in order that
we may learn certain lessons.  Our Higher soul stays in heaven and gives us
strenght and guidence and knows our fate.  This religion believes when you
have a clairvoyant dream, or contant a guiding angel you are actually
contacting your higher soul.  Because Sev's higher soul exists their is no
need to go spliting him into infinity ("Sev 203 took the door on the right,
but Sev 204 took the door on the left).  Sev's higher soul, et al, is
responsible for all the little miracles that directs Sev2's life, there need
be no more.  This is all with in the first book.  I understand things are
different when you start to configure Apu and the sleeper into the picture,
and other anomalies in the sequel.

FunkMonkey
J. Schutlz
jschultz at wcnet.org
From: "J. Schultz" <jschultz at wcnet.org>
Subject: (urth) On a rereading
Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 19:50:06 

Having taken a week long vacation I got a chance to reread the four books of
the New Sun.  I am writing more as a reflection and coalescence of my own
thoughts, rather than to anyone in particular.  Bear with me if anything I
say repeats things said long ago in archieves or states the obvious that you
already figured out for yourself.  Also, it has been sometime since I have
read the sequel book so my speculations may contradict things contained in
it.

The first 3 and a half books seem to deal with the theme of Severian
becoming his own man and casting off other authorities' hold on him.  Every
authority that is, except that of the Increate.  In each episode of Sev's
life he pledges his loyalty to a vestige of authority which is later broken
by him.  We see shy this breaking of authority is nessisary during the dream
that takes place after the play near the wall of Nessus.  In the dream
Malrubius reviews the several types of authority with Sev.  He illustrates
personal loyalty to the throne is the strongest and most basic type of
authority.  He leaves his argument open ended but implies that Sev must
forge a personal loyatly to the Increate himself.  Thus we see that those
who follow the church, or the crown, or the police, or those whoose
loyalties lie indirectly with Increate are far more distant from Him.  An
example of this are those who consider themselves 'born again.'  They have a
much stronger faith having found God for themselves than those who have been
brought up to believe the Church without question.  Sev's life is a slow
process of removing himself from outside authority and following what I
guess should be called the 'True Path,' that of direct loyalty to the
Increate.  Sev states that the Conciliator, if he had weapons used them on
himself and later makes alludes to the fact that he feels he is doing that
himself.  He is killing of the parts of him that will blindly follow false
authority (all authority being false except that of the Increate)  Earlier
in this group we discussed Sev's turning point, which being a human and
prone will not be black and white in Sev's life.  The turning point is just
before he attacks the castle of Baldanders when he pledges to follow the
will of the Increate above all others.  All other events have led up to this
and in rereading the passage I'm sure you'll agree.  He breaks ties with the
Guild, the Archon, Voudalus, Dr Talos' Death name tag, Typhon's will, etc.
etc.  and finally forges his personal loyalty to God.  The title Autarch as
meaning 'self ruler' also alludes to this theme.
I probably could of said all that better, but its been a while since I've
had to write coherent thoughts.  Feel free to state it better, or reverse it
in your own words.

This post is already overlong, but I wish to tie it in to a question.  I
have a feeling that the imagery of the phalus is tied in with this theme of
self governance.  The autarch carries an iron phalus around his neck.  (He
later compares the fluid inside to that of semen when Sev is forced to eat
him in the jungle prison)  Gurelos has a fake phalus, because he's a coward
and can't use his real one.  Sev calls Terminus Est his phallus and when it
is broken (ouch) it is replaced by the pointed object of the Claw.  The Claw
in its earlier gem form has a little phallic imagery of its own, being
carried in a little soft sack of skin.  Any thoughts on this?

And Finally,
I feel I need to be the Doubting Thomas on the little theory of the 13
Severian's.  (remember now, I have not reread Urth of the New Sun yet)  I
think we cannot look at Severian as Sev to the 13th power or anything like
that.  I don't understand why the White Fountain and the Claw should be
considered seprerate entities all their own.  The Claw is merely a focus of
Sev2's own power that as he says himself he draws from the very earth and
sky around him.  We don't need to quantify this energy into newton's, or
wonder what type of energy Sev is tapping (whether its Solar, Ocean, etc)
The power is that of RENEWAL and CREATION and is present in all things
because everthing has passed through the hands of the Increate (as Sev
points out himself on the Beach)  Sev was able to tap this infinite energy
and funnel it through the Claw.  The Claw does not have a mind of its own.
Why does the Claw sometimes act and sometimes doesn't?  (Good question but I
don't think the answer is that its a seperate Severian)  To make a Science
out of Sev's powers is to act like Baldanders, thinking everything should be
rational and quantifiable.  And we saw what his thinking leads to, Ragnorak!

I see the first Sev as being a part of the second Sev.  It is Sev1 who Sev2
feels standing next to him at the Sang. Field.  It is Sev1 who Sev2 finds he
is praying to in the temple of the Pelerine's near the lazeret.  Sev1 is
like a higher soul who has percieved the future.  There is a religion (it
smacks of Shirley McClaine but bear with me) that believes that we are
higher beings who have sent a part of our soul down to Earth in order that
we may learn certain lessons.  Our Higher soul stays in heaven and gives us
strenght and guidence and knows our fate.  This religion believes when you
have a clairvoyant dream, or contant a guiding angel you are actually
contacting your higher soul.  Because Sev's higher soul exists their is no
need to go spliting him into infinity ("Sev 203 took the door on the right,
but Sev 204 took the door on the left).  Sev's higher soul, et al, is
responsible for all the little miracles that directs Sev2's life, there need
be no more.  This is all with in the first book.  I understand things are
different when you start to configure Apu and the sleeper into the picture,
and other anomalies in the sequel.

FunkMonkey
J. Schutlz
jschultz at wcnet.org