(urth) "My father's mounted guard"
Son of Witz
sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org
Tue Oct 14 09:58:11 PDT 2008
I've come to agree with this perspective.
However, if there are other such sentances in the first two books, I must have missed them. Has anyone another such example?
>From: Stanisław Bocian [mailto:sbocian at poczta.fm]
>Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 09:50 AM
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>Subject: Re: (urth) "My father's mounted guard"
>On 9 października 2008, Mark Millman wrote:
>"I played again with pebbles in the court-
>yard beside the fallen curtain wall, as
>Thecla dodged the hooves of my father's
>That sentence is perfectly constructed. Severian has in his head
>memories both his own and of Thecla. He begins by recalling his own childhood (I played again with pebbles in the court-
>yard beside the fallen curtain wall), which transits seamlessly into
>memories of Thecla's childhood, but still recalled from the point of
>view of Severian (as Thecla dodged the hooves). Finally, it
> transits into Thecla's memory seen from her point of view
>(of my father's mounted guard). This shows that the artificial
>memories have become mingled with his own.
>> Dear Bennewitz,
>> On Wednesday 8 October 2008, you wrote:
>>> In Claw chap XXV, Severian is having life
>>> memories before he falls asleep. while
>>> there is obviously the potential for Thecla
>>> memories to intermix here, this following
>>> passage is still confusing:
>>> "I played again with pebbles in the court-
>>> yard beside the fallen curtain wall, as
>>> Thecla dodged the hooves of my father's
>>> mounted guard."
>>> . . . Even if the memory is Thecla's why
>>> would she be dodging the feet of her
>>> father's guard?
>> It's because she's a small child and has gotten underfoot, as small
>> children do. Presumably it depends on whether the memories are from
>> Severian and Thecla at the same age, or Severian and Thecla at the
>> same time. (Has anybody raised this point before? Is it even
>> interesting for our purposes? Do we know how much, if at all, older
>> Thecla is than Severian? I've always assumed that she is older, but
>> on examining that assumption I find that there's no real support for
>> it. She could easily be Severian's age.) If they're the same age,
>> she's probably too young to know better. If the memories are from the
>> same time and she's older, she may have been acting under what in our
>> day is the common horse-infatuation of young girls--I imagine it still
>> holds with Urth girls and destriers.
>> Mark Millman
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