(urth) Aside on Christ figures in TBotNS

John Watkins john.watkins04 at gmail.com
Thu Dec 11 12:07:56 PST 2008


The standard Gnostic view was that Christ was an emanation of the true
God, and so, yes, "elevated far beyond the false creator" (or real
creator of the material world, whatever).

On 12/11/08, Son of Witz <sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org> wrote:
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> >I had forgotten that Tzadkiel's son fought and died in the judicial
> >combat that confirmed Severian's success as Epitome.
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> >If Tzadkiel is the Demiurge, and the Demiurge is God, then that makes
> >the son, well, his Son. Not sacrificed, but exposed to the risk of
> >death, because Tzadkiel thought it wrong to judge Urth without putting
> >something of his own on the block.
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> >Again, I am reminded of the theory that TBotNS presents parodies of the
> >true religion, and the phrase in Tlon, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius that Wolfe
> >has pointed at as an inspiration for TBotNS: "an atropious or banal
> >reality."
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> Yeah, but as I understand it, the Demiurge is NOT God. The Demiurge THINKS it's God. Half-Creator/ False-Creator.   I'm not clear on how Christ as son of Yahweh fits in, but I believe that he exists as part of the Godhead, not as actual spawn of Yahweh.  I don't know though.  Surely there are many opinions.  In a work like Valis or Divine Invasion, PKD shows a gnostic world where the Logos is a healing energy sent in from the true God into the realm of the Demiurge.  With that sort of view, Christ is still elevated far beyond the false creator.
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