(urth) [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: Urth before Earth
rasputin_ at hotmail.com
Sun Jul 23 03:06:20 PDT 2006
But if I recall correctly the scriptures of Silk's church have all been
lifted by Typhon from previous religions. And it seems to me there were
snippets of new testament passages in there.
>That's a really interesting take. I like it. I'll
>have to give it some thought.
>On 7/22/06, thalassocrat at nym.hush.com <thalassocrat at nym.hush.com> wrote:
> > On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 16:51:16 +1000 Dan'l Danehy-Oakes
> > <danldo at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>Frankly, I think Wolfe kind of wrote himself into a
> > >corner here -- by having Urth's history _so_ parallel to
> > >Earths, he put himself in a position where there _had_
> > >to be something indistinguishable from the Christian
> > >Church. But the Incarnation has to be an _utterly_
> > >unique event (says Christian theology). So the "man
> > >possessed and enlightened by the Outsider" who winds
> > >up getting crucified (in Silk's vision) is historically
> > >indistinguishable from the Theoanthropos...
> > "Theoanthropos" is tricky. I think it is only used by Agia, in the
> > jungle hut scee.
> > As far as I know, the usual Chalcedonian term is actually
> > "Theanthropos". Is Wolfe making some kind of statement, putting the
> > former in bad-girl Agia's mouth?
> > At the risk of making a lot out of nothing much, perhaps her term
> > should be read as "Theo-Anthropos", man-as-god, rather than the
> > orthodox "both-man-and-god" (or whatever: I don't pretend to really
> > understand the orthodox concept). Kind of appropriate for her, if
> > you believe (as I tend to) that she's connected to the black
> > magicians.
> > That aside, my pet theory conforms to some of Dan'l's views; the
> > universe of NS had no Jesus. For an orthodox Christian, the
> > incarnation must surely be a unique event, changing everything. God
> > is outside,in NS; when he incarnates and enters inside, it must
> > change everything. Not least, it must end the whole cycle of
> > universes, and fix one - ours - as the only reality, now with a
> > definite beginning & definite end.
> > I differ from Dan'l in thinking that Silk's universe is in fact
> > ours; the Outsider whispering in Silk's ears on the ballcourt is
> > the echo of the incarnation, out of the distant past, but (I like
> > to think) happening at the same instant from the Outsider's extra-
> > universal point of view. So I think Silk sees the actual, unique
> > Jesus in his visions.
> > When Silk meets Sev, it is not in the universe of NS, but in this
> > new one, in which Sev's future will differ radically from the NS
> > story.
> > Anyway, it makes sense to me :)
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