(urth) 5HC : Chinese boxes or tea chests?

Dan'l Danehy-Oakes danldo at gmail.com
Wed Feb 2 11:29:49 PST 2005

First, I do believe that we are reaching the (or a) heart of 5HC in 
a way I've never seen before. I wonder if anyone here can tie
"A Story" into this analysis?


Yes, Skinner is _the_ paradigmatic behaviorist. Behaviorism[2] is
very much pointed at the extreme behaviorist[1] position he takes
in books like _Beyond Freedom and Dignity_ and, to a lesser 
extent, _Walden Two_. 

The key point is that Skinner, as near as I can make out, does not 
claim that "consciousness" does not happen - though he _does_
claim, if I'm not mistaken (it's been a looong time since I read S)
that there is no such "thing" - no nounish extant - as "consciousness."
Rather, he is claiming that "consciousness" is irrelevant to 
pragmatic matters (such as controlling the "population explosion"), 
which _can_ (he says) be handled by "technologies of behavior" 
that don't take "consciousness" into account. 

In this, he seems to me to fall into the same overall category as
Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc. - an anti-humanist. I also suggest
that this is a possible theme of 5HC, and particularly of "VRT".


"We're going to sit on Scorsese's head"
     -- The Goodfeathers

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